The Tragedy of Nepal 2011

A deep depression hit me about an hour into my visit to Nepal and lasted for the first two weeks. Nepal, as a travel destination, is nothing short of raved about. “The Himalayan Mountains are majestic and the people are the nicest in the world!” was a common travel tidbit I heard. What I found was a developing nation with deep problems becoming worse by the month with tourism hastening the poisoning of the well. The pollution is the worst I have ever seen. Air, land, sound and water, nothing is spared the careless trash. The people are wonderful and also skillful about exploiting the tourist scene. Everyone you meet has a friend that is in the business of what you want to do, and they have a vested commission in getting you to open up.

Kathmandu, Thamel

So much of this place is changing, generally for the worse. You can see the mountains from Pokhara, but the smog makes the view, well, depressing. Kathmandu is thriving from tourism, but at the expense of the country workers leaving to find easier work (and often times they can’t get it, resorting to black market and corrupt jobs).

The horns on the motorbikes are non-stop. The taxis will take you for a ride and to your destination. They view cheating tourists as a right, a recent newspaper article boasts.

“Merry Christmas, sir!” a 10-year-old boy told me. “Would you like some weed?”

I wanted to leave within a week of getting here. Let me rephrase that: I wanted to leave and start a campaign to stop tourism in Nepal. There was no redeeming value. It was soulless, corrupt and destroying everyone that touched it. Not something I want to be supporting, in reality or my dreams.

“Merry Christmas, sir!” a older man told me later in the frigid night.

“Need a cute girl? Bang bang.”

Vendor outside the bus

City is city. I get this. This happens. Pollution happens. Black markets happen. My dream of this place happened, and it was far, far off from what actually is here. The political democracy is on a thread, and a saving grace is the blancas that come here to spend their money. Nepal is developing, there is no doubt of that.

The bus ride from Kathmandu to Pokhara is a very direct reminder of how developing the country is. More than 10 police checkpoints stop every car, bike and bus to check permits and tolls. A six-hour ride passed (formerly) amazing views of valleys, rivers and mountains. There is also a police paddy wagon arresting vendors, drunks and teens (by random it seems). The motorbikes don’t obey the road closure rules and honk at the mob walking down the street. “Get out of my way!” their imported ultra-loud horns say.

Nepal Roadside

Everything seems to be just this: an urgent cry. The rural areas of Nepal, I shall learn, are extreme in their land and experience. I met a mother that had 12 children living, and had buried eight. The eyes of people around town are full of salesmanship or despair. An old lady sells me some beads, which are made by hand and support her family trapped in Tibet.

“That is full of shit!” my guide tells me, yelling at the widow. She scatters, and I am told that the beads are from China, and she just does what sells to the tourists.

Everything isn’t as it seems. Isn’t how I fell in love with Nepal. The lore just doesn’t match up.

Time to get out of the city. Annapurna Circuit is on my life list. 220 miles circumventing some of the tallest mountains in the world. Every town along the way has tea houses to welcome the trekkers (60,000 strong per year as of 2009). Wilderness, I hoped.

As with most of my hopes in Nepal, it was quickly smashed. There isn’t much sense of wilderness here. Can we make money off it?

Develop it. Rice fields can fit on most hillsides, put them in. Trash was everywhere (and not tourist trash, local trash was the stuff on the ground). You can see why: A young girl asks every trekker for chocolate as they walk by. She unwraps it, eats a bit and drops the wrapper on the trails. This joins the 10-50 pieces of trash per 10 yards of the trail. The full Annapurna Circuit is 220 miles, and at that estimate, we are looking at 352,000 to 1,760,000 pieces of trash on the trail.

Wilderness. Nepal’s tourism is built on the trekking. You pay a visa fee on entry to the county, and a “conservation fee” for the assumed conservation. Nowhere to be found.

The dark secret of wilderness around the world is that the land is usually not developed because it is too hard to profit off of. The Himalayas are off limits, but the wooded areas around it are not protected.

The tea houses in towns welcoming you? They are just hotels, built for the trekkers. There isn’t much past the towns, other than the hotels. In most we visited, there wasn’t anything besides that.

River Crossing In Nepal

Trekking on the most hated road in the world. The road.

  • Day 1 The road!
  • Day 2 The road.
  • Day 3 The fucking road.
  • Day 4 The fucking road destroying this place.
  • Day 5 The fucking road built by children destroying this place.
  • Day 6 The fucking road build by children destroying this place and eating the soul of all around.
  • Day 7 The inevitable road.

The Fucking Road

The road is going in at the strong urging or citizens of Manang. There are 3000 full-time residents, and with stories of hundreds of children being saved with a modern road in and out, convinced the government to put in a road. The road conveniently goes exactly on top of the trekking trail. Where the road is built, the trail is gone.


Now, if you are a person that can do third grade math, you can figure out that the road will carry, at capacity, the same amount of tourists that currently hike on the trail (averaged out).  One car per three minutes with eight passengers on a road that is unstable at best.

The guiding services expect trekking to go up when the road is completed. On day six, right past Tal, we saw the road being jackhammered into the hillside. “Awful young,” I thought. “It is a good job” my guide said (as the last official thing said as my guide). We passed a group of 20 youth, aged 6-10, high up on a hillside clearing the blasted land from the army. The tourist funded army. Yes, come to the mountains, and see the whites of the eyes of the child labor you are supporting.  I’ve never seen eyes so cold.  So hurt.  So helpless.  They are doing a very hard job, unsupervised, with almost no pay as a replacement of their childhood.

My guide learned a valuable lesson about unfair and dangerous jobs: If you support it, you can lose yours.

If you hike the Annapurna, you support, directly, child labor. They might hide it during the high-season, but the ugly and shameful beast is there. The knock-off brand-name jacket you bought in Kathmandu are made by a different tragic set of small hands.


We are in the last years of the Annapurna being a place where people trek. The inevitable road is set to be finished in 2014, with buses and jeeps honking and smoking up the valley. They are aiming to have 150 vehicles per section, per day. To my surprise, they don’t expect trekking to go down.

The powerlines cover the entire valley until Manang. A 42″ flatscreen TV is displayed in the kitchen/bedroom/bathroom of a teahouse. The fire rages on, but with no chimney smoke hangs at waist level. The 10 people in the room don’t seem to mind, but their daily environment is killing them. We pay our conservation fund-approved menu meals and hike on. The road is the only way to get up the valley, conveniently, to the next town. Let me Photoshop the power line out of that pristine Himalayan view.

I sit down in Manang for a veggie curry. I’m excited to meet the residents of the town that resulted in one of the classic hikes in the world becoming a jeep trail. I was quickly joined, at 11am no less, by a group of five drunk and high business owners. The all too familiar get-to-know-the-tourist-before-selling-them-shit game is played. It is around zero outside. No insulation to be found. This week, eight Nepali die due to the cold.

“You want good weed, you come to Karma.”

The inevitable road is being built and supporting this, and this alone. There is a small town that used to be here. It has been swallowed up by the tourist trash, forever gone. The army is blasting an amazing amount of rock into the river below.

I’m learning the hard lesson of how tourism can destroy.

It is January. It is the coldest week of the year. It is 14,000 feet above sea level, and there is no snow. We walk over the 17,769-foot pass without stepping in a spot of snow. The glaciers have receded back as far as they can without disappearing. We make it over the pass. It is one of the slowest days for traffic on the pass, an officer tells us days later. Six people, guides included. “In October you can see 1,000.”

The majestic Nepal is dead to me, to a lot of people, many of which live here.

Throng La Pass Nepal Summit

After the trek, the papers read of the risk of a political uprising. It is “tourism year,” so the Maoists are pretending to agree to not do anything for 2011, but not many believe that. Opportunities for visas for workers wanting to slave away in foreign lands are crowded in the paper. Only 320 died last year in Quatar. A paraglider died yesterday less than a mile from where I type.

The opportunities are depressing. The government is depressing. The people have lived through hell and are seeing their country being built into a three-star hotel for assholes like me to come and experience their Himalayan dream. With more than 30% of the children not attending school, the government focuses on tourism in 2011.  I don’t how this will help the core problems, major problems, at all.  It will only hurt more.

I’ve never felt dirtier as a traveler.

I found many things in this country to be urgent cries. Perhaps this is mine.

More photos from this trip can be found here. I also wrote a separate piece with my positive stories from Nepal.  I decided on the trail that these two had no business being published in the same post.

  • Gbgurung

    You see andrew the most beutiful country in publicity was just a publicity, nothing more. In the same way don’t you feel that you can do something for Nepal. My country has tremendous capacity but there is lack of organisation and management. The priority of gouvernment and people to grow faster in the price of health and education. This is due to globalisation and policies of gouvernment. Gouvernement can’t do everything. In Nepal people are rich but Gouvernement is poor. We need the people like you who understand the problem and have the capacity to improve the situaton; thanks

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  • Diwa Kar10

    I found his reaction really depressing than he was depressed. He must have missed multitudes to know because of his hasty perspective.

  • Dacharya_11

    Andrew, where you are from is not where you went…never take your comfort zone or  your pride and culture if you want to become a tourist. Try to be humble first then you will see the beauty inside the ugliness.Think about your birth land way back in the 18th or even 5th century and imagine how your forefathers might have lived. skin and color is not the case but what you have inside of you is the reality. Nepal is one the lands that was created by the same God who created your birth land and also the people around the globe is created by the same father God and now you are here to point out just a case you faced once. Have you seen the heart of Nepal and its people? I dont think so, so please let me know if you really want to post about my country..I will explain what it looks like to be Nepal and Nepalese. Blessings on you.

  • niken

    well said bishal bro !!!! jai nepal

  • niken

    if u want to explore about  developing countries  then u should live like d people  from that countries. you just visit places and explore in your own  way but have  u tried to explore with eyes from that local citizens !!! if yes then how you felt about that ?

  • Khatiwadasuman

    This is all what the writer have to make up there mind for. Its the state of the mind where the negativity place in high degree of alertness  which only focus on the “NEGATIVITY”.

    50% of the Nepal what you heard before arrive was negative and those remaining 50% change into the 100% when he saw the ground reality. 

    So i request to dear tourist Mr.andrewhyde have a look on both side positive and negative both accept and decide why you are travel for “the reason” for e.g. to see the Himalayan, to visit the Lumbini where lord buddha was born or any other place. its you who travel its not other who make you travel so take a time do a research and make a sure where you travel and why you  travel for.It will be great if you have  give some times for Google to know more about Nepal but don’t go the blog which try to make you a fool post totally idiots posting to get attention.

    Thank you andrewhyde  for visitng the Nepal.

     jai Nepal.

  • Manisha

    I m so sorry to hear that you had such a horrid experience in our country. I couldn’t agree more how much our country is struggling. People are trying so hard for their basic needs each day but that doesn’t mean we are not trying. You should do your home work before you plan your trip no matter where you are going, for your own safety and pleasure. Your article is harsh and offensive. It’s like a person is really sick, he has brain damage, heart problem, high BP … You name it ….desperately in need of treatment. And people like you comes in and see the person, you think that person has no hope and recon to kill him… Where as his family and friends are hoping, praying and trying their best to save him… Has faith in him and actually believe that one day he will be recovered.

  • Manisha

    We Know those issues … It’s our country..HELLO!!!!! and we are trying our best to sort it out. We dun think your campaign to stop tourism in Nepal gonna help us.. Thank you very much…

  • Manisha

    Easier said than done… You are not realising that you are actually making fun of our hardship…your experience is your own fault… Shouldn’t rely on others views, should do your home work, should have proper knowledge, should be able to handle the consequences…dun blame our country simply because it is not picture perfect ….dun complain you met wrong people in wrong place…you cannot get royal treatment if you travel around only slum areas….

  • Kucholee

    Mind your own business or you don’t compare your self to others. If you compare your self to any other individual, you are nobody rather than an aerogent….However I like your comments..My country (Nepal) has to change….Help us to reform system rather than criticise.

  • Daya

    Well said budi

  • Terobau

    i hear in bhutan the ppl are happy…

  • Elmar Bajora

    You explain about the ugly face of tourism in nepal and how its changing the country and its people.
    What you experianced is sad, and it is true by a high degree no doubt.

    However i wonder, you either had been to nepal some decade ago and remember how it used to be or you have never travelled to any other asian country before, did you?

    I had been to nepal two years ago just for a week in kathmandu valley and was impressed about how nice, honest and humble people still are there in such a huge city by nepali scale.
    I had been to nearly all south east asian countries in the past ten years, except myanmar, east timor and bangladesh, as far i can judge and tell, i love nepali people the most.

    Surely if i d spend just enough time in nepal and just look closer i will also find plenty of uglyness and stuff i dislike, but the point i want to tell is, you could find it in every developing country which is sad but just the truth.

    You could find all of those ugly aspects of tourism even in far higher educated and further developed countries in the heart of south east asia. But behind all the glamerous shopping malls and luxurious beach resorts, its hard to see the ugly truth about how people struggle. All aspects you mentioned in nepal just happen there as well, anywhere, just not that obvious to see.

    If you dont like to see garbage, corruption, child labour, foreigners being treated like walking cash machines, i believe you shall better just stay home or stick to north america and europe and just donate some money to a trustworthy organisation of ur choice.

    Sorry, but there is no true Shangrila in this world.

    P.S.: However if you really like to be in wilderness, why dont u consider to visit Places like Bhutan or some restricted Areas around Dolpo or Upper Mustang.

  • Dan G

    I take this as simply being your experience. I’m not sure how many countries you have seen in your  life, but I can guarantee you from my own experiences that Nepal is not the most polluted. Most parts of India that I have been to make Kathmandu look like an incredibly clean city. It’s true that compared to North America and Europe it seems dirty, but things are very different. There aren’t garbage men cleaning up your trash twice a week, people here have to burn it themselves. And just like anywhere in the world there are some people who don’t quite abide. I currently reside in Pokhara, I have been to Nepal several times before, and I have to tell you this is my top choice in the world of where to be. People are very environmentally conscious, solar panels are present throughout the city, along with natural rainwater collection systems, and other alternative sustainable technologies. Do me a favour and travel a little more in life. I think when you really start living and being part of foreign communities rather than being the paying tourist, you will begin to see things from a different light. And maybe start seeing the unpleasant circumstances of your present life, after all anywhere you go in the world has its pros and cons. The only thing you can do is open your arms to the pros, and help people along the way with the cons. Don’t be a critic, try being a helping hand next time. The last thing I ever want to read on the internet again is somebody trying to persuade people against travelling and experiencing both the beautiful and uglier sides of life. Either way, I mean no disrespect, I just hope that you stop convincing others to close doors in their lives that they never even got the chance to walk through in the first place.

  • ANepali

    I am a Nepali and this is exactly what I had to tell. Thanks!

  • manisha

    Thank you for sharing your view regarding NEPAL. But Mr. HYDE, after going through your post what seems is, you were expecting Nepal to be one of the developed countries with clean and wide roads with no trashes at all. If this is what you had expected then its obvious that you must have got pissed off. You actually did not missed the majestic Nepal rather have explored the real Nepal. I agree with you in context of trashes being everywhere around but regarding roads I must say this is how most of the developing countries in the world are like. You should have instead seen the development that is being taken place in such remote parts of this nation initially developed through road construction rather than comparing it with that of the developed nations. Anyways thank you for sharing your real views.

  • Sir Edmund Hialry

    You can support me by buying my book This Book is About Travel
    why didn’t you just take a tent & sleeping bag & some supplies,and go camp away from it all.That’s what I do,when I want to go to the mountains,in my home state (NH).
    WE have tourists towns,around the mountains,but all you have to do is get on the trail .

    You didn’t go for the mountains,you went for the whine.

  • andrewhyde

    Used to do that in Alaska but then learned the term “shotgun welcome” and that most people that do that are scouting places to rob. I try to respect the laws of places I visit.

  • Pawan

    If you want to travel perfect place like heaven the never first search for heaven in google. But you wont find anything like it. Nepal is rich for natural resources. Its underdeveloped and its developing. I have been in germany for 4 years. I know how they treated the people from developing countries like Nepal. You might have been shocked by some children selling weed and some old person talking about prostitution, uneducated peoples, …….
    But what i have faced during my stay in Germany is full of disrespect and hatred. I have right to get what I paid for. I hope you had never been so much humiliated during the stay in Nepal. Thats the difference between developed countries and under developing countries. We are living in scarcity of education, economy and many things. Thats our weakness. I am sorry from all Nepali peoples for you. But you will never feel the same for us. I know Nepal is far away from development because of full of f*****n politicians. I still proud to be Nepali.

  • I am sorry to hear your bad trip to Nepal,Andrew,,,
    But when i grow up, i will do everything i can to develop my motherland ,Nepal..
    i already made plans on what i will be doing for Nepal..
    Wait till i graduate from university and become a teacher in Nepal..
    There ,i will teach younger generations the way to be wise.
    After that , as Nepal have number of pollutions…I will be working alongside with environmental campaigns while working as a teacher..
    Finally,I would also very much want Nepal to be sporty as i could see they are way behind other nations..

    To conclude,there is this dream when i want China to not have ‘complete control’ or take Nepal as their territory..
    And that dream is a top job of Nepal.
    I am 16 years old but i have a commitment that from now on,i would work hard to help develop my motherland,Nepal..

    I am currently in Hong Kong,i consider myself as Hongkonger instead of Chinese..

  • Dave

    Well that sealed it, never going to Nepal. This was one of the places on my list and now it’s permanently erased. I feel closure! You echoed what my sentiments no doubt would be if I went there and wonderfully spared me the hassle of doing so and even continuing to think of doing so. Thanks for the directness, it’s appreciated.

  • Ckhanal

    Hi Andrew, I read your posting about Nepal yesterday. I have an open letter for you. Please check this out at CKhanal

  • Seems like you missed all of my points.


  • Diana P

    I can’t believe so many people were offended by your post! I haven’t been to Nepal (I’m planning a trip there in a couple of months) yet, but I applaud you for posting what you really think. As someone who loves to travel and also has a travel blog, it’s totally understandable that everyone gets something different out of a place they visit — and not everyone has to love every destination! You are entitled to your opinions and I’m glad yours on Nepal is different from the status quo: “Nepal was great! Everyone was so nice!”. Reading this hasn’t changed my mind about going to Nepal, but it has helped to set some expectations for me prior to arrival so thank you for that.

  • Peter J. Andros

    Oh, sure, let’s blame the baaaad Americans. You know, the folks who fought and destroyed the fascists in Europe and the Pacific, contributed billions for the welfare of poverty stricken peoples everywhere, rebuilt most of a world destroyed by fatheads like yourself. Live with the murderous Maoists and blood thirsty Islamic thugs…and please don’t bother us in America, anymore. Die the death you deserve.

  • Peter J. Andros

    You’re an idiot!

  • Peter J. Andros

    Your comments, analysis, simply suck. The world is full of delusional people. Please count yourself among them. I’ve never read such infantile opinions in my life.

  • Nepal Traveler

    I think you are wrong. Tourism is a good way for Nepal to get income, and every time I go here, I see many improvements. Your blog post is sadly, very one-sided. And you do not seem to grasp the reality of the country you visited. Read some history about the country. Talk to some people.

  • fabrizio

    I’ve spent the last twelve years of my life travelling in more than 40 countries,including 3 times in Nepal for 5 months each time.

    I’ve been in many poor countries with peope cheating everywhere,but Nepali people are some of the most deceiving characters I’ve ever encountered.Truth is :they are just a bunch of highly discriminative jerks,they don’t like visitors in their country,they hate tourists,and are just born jealous.They are barbarians with hardly no sense of hospitality,and they kill and beat up visitors very easily.They are retarded and their political system is a reflection of their barbarian individual mentality.

    Andrew is right,his impressions are realistic and thousands of travellers share the same ones or identical ones about this depressing country.Too bad but true.

  • fabrizio

    Fine observations bro’and you forgot to mention the number of visitors who have been molested,harassed or even killed while trekking in this shithole country.Nepalese aren’t nice people at all and it’s not just about their financial or political situation excusing everything:Nepal isn’t a poor country at all.Somalia is poor,Greenland is poor…..not Nepal.Nepali people are,in general,hypocrits,money- grabbing and they hate visitors.And that’s not new :they are barbarians in their own way.Of course there are a few exceptions to that….

  • Lapis

    It was sad to read about the conditions in Nepal. I had always admired the Buddhist practice of sky burials which contributes to the circle of life. Seems a little different to me somehow now.

  • Nesporine

    They hate tourists?? Clearly you haven’t been to Nepal.

  • Nepsorine

    Ohh… Now even Greenland is poor??
    Oh boy, you are genius.

  • nepali4life

    Your lucky that this message didn’t go viral, because you should be ashamed of writing out words which is not all true. Weed? Bang bang? You should really watch your mouth before you say something else because it’s my mother land & you dont have right to say such stupid words. We ain’t saying such shit about yo country wherever you from because we the nicest people anyone can tell & we respect other countries, their culture & their environment even if its worse then nepal. Yeah it true, there’s tough roads, poor town & garbage in alot of places, why don’t you tell that to our government instead of writing some bad things about Nepal. You say we hate tourist? Your completely out of your mind dude. Seriously bro, I can bet people from Nepal welcome you respectively. Have you visited to other poor countries around the world? No right, def you should because you would find it worse there but Im not going to say shit about other countries like you did about my motherland. You said country is poor right? That is fucking right, i can say more corruption & black market, but it does happen in your country as well. Its just the politician trap happening in our country. Back then around 1999, it was the most beautiful country around the world, when we had great king whom we respect & over years gone, we lost our royal family & have to deal with bad politician. Bro, you should learn the history about great Nepal & talk. Don’t just write whatever it comes in your mind.

  • nepali4life

    The heck are you talking about Mr.fabrizio, you better watch yo stupid a** mouth while you say some harsh word. Yo mama didn’t told you not to disrespect anyone, especially about someone else country? You wouldn’t like it if I talk shit about your country bro! Let me tell you straight up, never say people from Nepal are jerk & don’t act fucking racism & discriminate other people & the country. You should be full of ashamed & your words are just full of junk. First visit Nepal, know the people, our culture, & respect the country! Don’t write full of bullshit dude, your just the shame in your own country. take yo words back to your own country, because we Nepali love our motherland & we respect your country as well.

  • David Elvin

    I haven’t looked up Andrew Hyde but I wouldn’t mind bettering he’s an self centered American who knows everything about nothing. He should try to have enough imagination to understand what is would be like to be born in Kathmandu rather than be brought up in the suburbs of some awful plastic American cookie cutter town were the thought of walking to the shops is something only poor dirty people do, or immigrants. I spent six weeks in Nepal this year and strongly advise people to go there, spend money and even better help build a house. Closing the door to visitors it not going to fix the issues there. One thing you will find in Nepal that you don’t find in many other parts of the world, is a very noticeable lack of American tourists. I wonder why that is? I believe countries like Nepal, India, Afghanistan, Bangladesh are far to poor and uncivilized for your average American tourist.

    David Elvin

  • David Elvin

    Oh, here’s another American, can you tell?

  • Sabin

    Hey Andrew,
    Look at this approach! If you realize the difference between travellers as you and these people, try and help them to make Nepal better so that somebody who goes to Nepal does not feel the way you did…Also, like Bishal said Nepal has been through a decade war and people are still trying to stand up….Surprisingly, I did not see single nice things you felt about Nepal- which makes your readers feel that you are a hardcore pessimist!
    Look at the link I put above and next time you want Wilderness go to Rockies… Wilderness with American facilities!

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  • Suham

    Andrew is too biased with his opinion , he visits most commercial tourism sites and expects sweet holy words … I ve encountered those kind of offers even in Europe … it is not just in developing nations. I would appreciate good words and support for beautiful country which is badly trapped in political crisis and external intervention…


    I am living In Nepal and that country is worse than donkey shit coming from a human


    if I had enough money I would set up a protest


    nepal my fucking ass just admit it it sucks balls and Nepal people be doing drugs for life like you go fuck your country it sucks

  • John Bhandari

    i am a student of age 16, lived in banasthali ,kathmandu.,i am intrested to be a good wrestler from nepal but iam lacking money and proper institute here .so how can i solve my problem

  • mayaluUSA

    born and grew up in nepal so, i don’t think it’s not nice to talk about some other ppl country .i understand how ay ‘ feel but Hey there is always good and bad things everywhere all around the’s not only in nepal yo” and drugs are used in universe that is no wonder don’t act like you never seen weed and smoke with your high school mates.i been in AMERICA for 8 years i used to wonder and got surprised with some different things i never seen in my life either it’s good or bad but we would never talk shit about other country no-matter what have some manner …always have respect for other and they will respect you back .

  • awwe

    You’re surprised that people in a developing country try to make a living however they can without regard for envrionmentalism or maintaining some sort of “purity”?

  • saroj kc from nepal

    Thanks bro

  • sam

    May be his an Indian bro

  • sarah

    And Americans achieved this by no bloodshed whatsoever!
    Greatness has come out of America surely, but keep in mind your sitting on land of an overthrown nation and peoples. Not to mention first world nations have become first world nations due to their geographic advantage and ability to exploit other peoples and resources. No one will be humbled by your spiteful view Mr. Peter. None of us are perfect, let’s remain positive and work towards greater good.

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